Dr. Alicia Newsome – The Hidden Cost of Hustle- How You Can Win at Work Without Losing at Home

No, it's common, right? It's very common, but it's not

normal. It's not the way that our our

bodies were designed. I feel that anyone that we hire,

they need to be doing one of three things, saving US time,

either making us money or saving US money.

And then they need to be reducing our stress or bringing

us Peace of Mind. I was going to struggle either

way, and I can struggle working for someone else or I can

struggle building my own things. So the work doesn't stop then?

It's really about finding work life sustainability.

I don't believe in balance per SE, but what are we doing now?

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I am excited and honored to have Doctor Alicia Newsome as a

guest. As you may have guessed from the

title, Doctor Newsome is not a blue collar leader.

She is an entrepreneur and has some great information to share

with us. Doctor Alicia Newsome is an

executive advisor and three time best selling author who helps

leaders who carry a lot work, family, community lead well

without burning out or bringing stress home.

She started as a hormone and performance clinician and kept

seeing capable people running on fumes.

That gap drove her to build the Integrative Leadership

Framework, a model that strengthens business operations,

restores bottle body level capacity, and protects what

matters at home. Now she works with founders,

senior leaders, and teams who want to win at work without

sacrificing their health or their relationships.

Having grown up and worked in the trades my entire life, I

know first hand how many of us run on fumes, the work never

stops, and we don't get to clock out at 5:00.

Doctor Newsome is going to share some great information to help

us all reach peak performance and still have a life at home.

So, Doctor Newsome, thanks for joining us.

Thank you so much for having me here.

Yeah, well, I am really anxious to dive into kind of your

expertise and and the topics at hand.

But before we do that, we want to get to know you and learn a

little bit about you and your business.

So to start out, do you mind telling me a little bit about

your childhood and what life was like growing up?

All right, we're diving deep. Start now.

Right into the deep end. All right, all the way back to

my childhood, when I grew up, I grew up in Kansas City from the

Kansas side. For those of you that know,

there's a Kansas, Missouri side. And I grew up on the Kansas

side. And when I was growing up, my

dad, he, he was a blue collar worker.

He worked at Procter and Gamble and he used to work 12 hour

shifts, like swing shifts. So he'd work 6:00 AM to 6:00 PM

for two weeks and then the next two weeks he would work 6:00 PM

to 6:00 AM. And he did that all while I was

growing up. And so, you know, my dad, he

worked really, really hard for our family.

And but he wasn't around a lot, you know, because he, he was

either working these 12 hour shifts or sleeping and switching

back and forth every every week, right?

So, but he's working hard, taking care of our family.

My mom, she had her own business.

She had a daycare that she ran from our from our house.

So she was the one that was primarily there with us at our

sports and all the things that we did growing up.

But I saw the impact that that work had on my dad's body, You

know, he's in his 80s now and you know, it's, it's impacted

him cardiovascular, you know, he's had all types of stents and

things and to this day has trouble sleeping, as you can

imagine, switching back and forth with those types of shifts

and dealt with like a lot of health issues.

So for me, my childhood was very much just, you know,

run-of-the-mill childhood with, with my parents.

But health has always been like a big, big part of who I am.

And then also from my own struggle.

So we just kind of ate whatever growing up.

You know, I think my mom probably cooked what she thought

was nutritious. I remember I had a lot of the

Hamburger Helper meals and, you know, just different, different

things. But when I got a little older, I

started getting very sick where I was tired all the time.

And I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia at 19, which is

really young. And they put me on

antidepressants and things like that.

And it, it was so bad. I, I couldn't even like stay

awake in the doctor's office. I'm sitting there.

So a lot of my younger years. And then it went, I really

didn't get resolve of my issues until I was much older and had

children and then was going through a divorce till I really

found answers to what was going on with my health.

But a lot of it starting out had to do with taking like, the

traditional route in healthcare, which is what, you know, my mom

figured, OK, my doctor said put her on birth control for her

acne. I had like, all kinds of acne,

skin issues, you know, put her on this, put her on that, give

her antibiotics. I did all the conventional

things, but I wasn't getting better.

So that really fueled my desire to understand what was going on

with my body and my family. That really fueled my passion

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All right and as a doctor, yeah, Imagine you have considerable

education and so you you grew up with some health struggles and

and had a passion for health. When did you decide you wanted

to become a doctor or go into the healthcare industry?

Well, I always. Want it to be a doctor.

I always was like, that was always a thing growing up in my

mind. Like okay, I want to be a

doctor. And originally my undergrad

degree is actually in psychology.

So then I figured by the time I would finish with school, I'd be

really young. So I was like, nobody's going to

listen. I would want to do like marriage

and family counseling. And I'm like, I'll be like 26

when I'm done. Nobody's going to listen to me

talking to them about giving them marriage advice, right?

So I ended up not going that route.

And I ended up, I used to have really bad neck pain, back pain,

constant headaches. I would take like 5 advils at a

time for my pain. And I ended up meeting a

chiropractor and going to her office and learning about that.

And that's, that was my introduction into like a more

holistic way of dealing with my body.

So my headaches went away, my back pain went away.

And again, I was very young. I was in my early 20s dealing

with these things. So that's what spurred me to go

more down a medical route and then also holistically as well,

too. So from there, I went to school.

And then when I got out of school, I was, I like more of a

Wellness practice, but I still have a lot of low energy.

That was something that I was never able to really get rid of.

And just imagine Sunday afternoon I'm, you know, and at

this time in my life, I'm going through a pretty painful

divorce, leaving a very volatile marriage.

My 2 little ones, they were still in diapers.

And Sunday afternoon, I head over to a friend's house,

usually after church, and everyone's hanging out and I sit

down on the couch and I fall asleep immediately.

You know, I was so tired. And they were like, we got the

kids, you know, you're good. Give her a blanket and a pillow.

And it wasn't for me just like that on Sundays.

It was like that for me on Monday and Tuesday and Wednesday

every day. I was just tired, like just

doing what I had to do to get through work.

And then like, time to put these kids to bed, right?

I want to get them in bed so Mama can go to bed.

And I was tired. And then I ended up meeting a

functional medicine doctor, which is what I practice now.

That really showed me what was going on inside of my body with

my energy. And that's why I'm so passionate

about energy, because we need it in order to do our work, to

fulfill our purpose, to be present with our kids, to be a

good spouse, like all of those different types of things.

So I ended up meeting that doctor.

Then that changed the way that I practiced and started helping

people in a more natural, holistic way through functional

medicine. OK.

So yeah, it sounds like a pretty extensive education.

They're starting out with psychology and and then into

more traditional practice and now holistic medicine.

What did that education look like?

How many years did that take? Where did you go to school?

I went to school in Georgia, to Life University.

So I mean, I got my undergrad degree and then my doctorate and

then so about 9 years, yeah. Wow, yeah.

Yeah. And it was there more education

involved as you made the switch to holistic medicine or did you

not have to start over there? There's more like additional

certifications and functional medicine.

They're not really required because our scope allows us to

do, you know, do these types of things.

But I am an avid learner, so I don't, I don't feel like I ever

stop. I'm always doing something else

to learn to be able to help my patients and my clients or the

teams that we work with at different corporations.

So I always have books. If you saw my bookshelf over

here, it's full of books. And then I've got Audible.

So it it never stops for me. I I enjoy it.

Yeah, right now I'm even, which might sound weird.

I'm entertaining right now looking at getting a masters in

leadership and organizational development just because I love

it. Like I just love.

And it's, it brings me back to like the psychology side of

things where I feel like I should have always done that

because I'm really good at leadership and teams and people.

So when I have some spare time, I'm looking at that.

Oh man, as a mom and a business owner and a doctor, I'm sure you

have plenty of spare time. Well, they said I can take one

class at a time. OK.

So we'll see. Well, yeah, that kind of leads

into my my next line of questioning.

I know you're running your own practice now, you have your own

team. Can you tell us a little bit

about your business? When did you decide to start

your own practice and what did that process look like?

So when you think about the work that I do that I pretty much I

have like 2 lines of work that my business does.

And prior to this, because I've always been an entrepreneur, I

pretty much always worked for myself.

So I had a brick and mortar practice and then when I was

going through my divorce and everything, I started picking up

different contracts and pharmaceutical research.

So I was a consultant for those companies.

And then I launched this practice virtually in 2022.

So 4 years ago I launched this practice and I work with people

all over the country, really all over the world.

I have clients in Uganda, I have clients in the UK.

So people are able to work with me just from the comfort of

their home, log on to Zoom and I'm right there and able to help

them. So my practice has two arms. 1

is working with individuals primarily focused on hormones.

And men have hormones too. But you do, you know, But

typically we think women with hormones, right?

And that is typically my main line that I work with is women.

And then the husbands usually come in if they hear me in

places like this. But still usually men, you guys

are a little stubborn. So normally the wife will just

order the lab work for the husband and he'll do it.

And then we meet together. I show you what's going on.

The facts like this is, you know, all the objective data.

And then from there we work together.

Not a lot of men are like, hey, let me just get checked to get

checked, right? Yeah.

So we typically do it that way. You started your practice

virtually in 2022. Do you see patients physically?

Do you have a brick and mortar shop now or is it still entirely

virtual? Everything's entirely virtual,

but I do have some clients that will like come into town and see

me that way. But Nope, everything's virtual.

So it make it's much easier. I've had brick and mortar

before. There's a whole overhead that

goes with that that's different. I will say in this day of day

and age with online, there's so many softwares and there's a lot

to build up overhead there too, but it's a different, different

kind of beast that you're dealing with.

So I have the functional medicine arm and functional

medicine for those that are listening and are wondering, you

know, what is functional medicine?

Think of it as if you're, I like to give this analogy.

If you're driving down the road and your check engine light

comes on in your car, right? And you're like, okay, I got to

take my car to the mechanic. Or you may know what you know,

you know, you may need to check it out yourself.

But regardless, the car needs to be checked out, right?

There's something going on. So imagine me, because I don't

know what's going on, I'm going to take it to the mechanic and

imagine that mechanic comes out and I let him know, OK, well, my

check engine light came on last week.

I'm hearing a little rattling in the car and he's like taking

notes, writing everything down. And then he's like, all right,

ma'am, well, that's all you need to do is take this sticker.

And he pulls a sticker out of his pocket and says, put that

right over this check engine light.

That would be crazy, right? You'd expect that mechanic to

open the hood, run some diagnostic tests, find out

what's going on inside the car. Like, why is my check engine

light going on? But a lot of times we allow

doctors to do that with our bodies.

But then also us too, We get these check engine lights that

come on. So brain fog, trouble focusing,

trouble sleeping at night, gaining weight, gaining weight,

especially around the belly area, digestion issues, you

know, trouble pooping. You know, all these types of

things are check engine lights. It doesn't mean like you have a

disease, right? It's not like now I've got, you

know, heart disease or high blood pressure.

You may, but those are all check engine lights going off in the

body. So in functional medicine, what

we do is we look at the root cause of those issues, like

what's really going on that's causing these things in your

life. And then the other arm of my

practice, I work with teams and corporations leaders.

So I either work with their executive team when it comes to

their health or we come in and we do Wellness challenges with

their team. So a lot of times, and we really

focus on engagement. Most Wellness programs that

companies have about a 10 to 12% engagement rate.

And they may be things like a gym membership that your job may

give you. And that typically works for

people that already go to the gym.

You know, they're going to get the membership and then a

certain percentage of them go to the gym and actually use it.

But what we do is we do these Wellness challenges that really

focus on the psychology and also the needs of them, the

employees. So, and we call them better you

challenge challenges because a lot of people we have found in

our research, they want to be better, they want to be better

employees, they want to be better friends, they want to be

better people, they want to be healthier, they want to be more

vibrant, they want to lose weight overall, they just want

to be better. So we have these six week

challenges that focus on, there's ones on fitness, there's

ones on stress, there's holiday ones, there's nutrition.

And we do those and we actually get a 50% engagement rate with

with our challenges because they're fun, they're easy for

them to implement and they can also be done with anyone in your

company, whether they're local or in other offices and things

like that. So we come in and we do those

that type of work with companies, which I really enjoy.

I enjoy working with people in groups and giving people just

practical tools that they can use in their everyday life.

So that helps with productivity, performance, attendance,

insurance premiums, like all of that.

The bottom line that helps companies with.

And then of course companies are out here making impact in the

world as well too. So overall for me, you know,

it's like little me and my company, we're able to make a

greater impact by helping those that are serving others.

Yeah, that's great. That's a great mission.

I know you mentioned earlier what kind of fueled your passion

for the holistic medicine, your own struggles and especially

struggles with energy. Do you mind sharing a little bit

about, you know, your journey to solve that problem or get that

figured out? Yeah, it's what I do every day

now with the people that come to me.

So I'll tell you about my journey.

I'll combine it on how we work with people too.

So one of the things is that we do very thorough intakes.

So typically the time that you spend on average with the doctor

in the office is 7 to 8 minutes. If you even get that right, we

spend. You get charged for the full

hour. You're going to get charged,

right? You know, it's just not enough

time in our, our modern day system.

It's not set up to really be able to understand what people

are dealing with in their lives and in their health.

So one, we have a lot of comprehensive intake forms that

ask all types of questions about your childhood and what type of

work you're doing, what you're being exposed to, even, you

know, chemicals, all types of things.

We, we, you'll, when you do it, you're like, well, I've never

been asked these things, right? Because it, it all plays a part.

And then we have a 90 minute consultation that we do with

that after that. So we're really able to dig deep

because you don't have time to waste doing things that don't

work right. So it's really important that

we're doing the right things in the beginning to get the

answers. And then the next thing that we

do is test and this was. Vital for me in my own journey

and I'm a big advocate of test. Don't guess.

We've got a lot of advanced testing out there that we can

find out exactly what's going on in your body.

Like why are you having digestion issues, why you're

bloated, why you can't go to the bathroom?

You know why you go to sleep, but then you wake up in the

middle of the night or why are you dragging all day and then

you need, you know, 3-4 cups of coffee to get through the day or

coke or whatever it is to give you caffeine to get through the

day. We're able to test and find out

exactly what that is. And then from there we put

together personalized plans for you and that could include what

lifestyle changes are needed. Stressed detoxification, which

is really important to hear a lot about detox, but you got to

make sure that you're properly detoxing.

A lot of people will find like a juice cleanse or something like

that. They do that and then they feel

awful. And a lot of times is that detox

is actually making them sick. They're not getting the toxins

out of their body. So proper detox and then

supplementation is important too.

So I'm a big advocate of taking supplements that work.

A lot of times you can pick up some calcium.

Calcium's great, you know, you pick it up from the store and

that calcium came from rocks. And yes, there's calcium and

rocks, but we don't eat rocks, we eat food, right?

So we want to make sure that the supplements that you're taking

one, you actually need that need them.

And we got that from your data from your, your labs and your

intake paperwork. So you're able to know that

you're taking the right things and then you're also making

taking good quality supplements as well.

Yeah, so sorry you, you said a lot there.

I, I got a lot of questions here.

You said, you know, a lot of people do detoxes and it doesn't

actually help, but maybe ends up making them more sick.

Is that because it's, they're, they're getting a detox formula

plan system from a unreputable source?

Or is it just that that's not what they need at that time and

maybe that detox would work for somebody else?

Well, there are some sketchy sources out there and you also

have to make sure that you're doing detoxification properly.

So before starting any detox, you want to make sure that your

drainage pathways are open. I don't like that word, but

it's, it's still the best word we can come up with your

drainage pathway. So your, your pee, your poop,

your sweat. We want to make sure that all of

those systems are are working well.

Your kidney, your liver, all, all of those organs, they're

doing what they need to do to detoxify first because one, you

don't want to go in and like start pulling toxins out and

then they can't get out of your body, right?

So we want to make sure that all your drainage pathways are open.

So we do things in the beginning to make sure that is good.

And then we want to bind toxin. So you want good binders and

though they're basically supplements, they come in

different forms. So you don't want to pull toxins

out and then they are just floating around or go back into

your bloodstream. That's where people will start

feeling sick and things like that.

So you want to be able to pull toxins out and then bind them

and then get them out of the body.

So that would be a system for detoxification.

You want to make sure you're doing something that's doing all

three of those things. Gotcha.

So it's it's maybe not that people are doing the wrong

thing, but they're doing it incompletely or at the wrong

time. Yes, yes, exactly.

You want to make sure that you're doing the the right thing

in the right way at the right time.

And so that, that's probably a big reason, you know, a lot of

the, the do it at home kits or whatever, you, you might be

better off doing that with a, a provider such as yourself or an

expert to guide you through instead of just trying to do it

on your own. Is that accurate?

Definitely. And some things, you know, when

it comes to toxins, there's two different forms of toxins.

There's biotoxin. So those are living things like

mold, fungus, parasites, bacteria, viruses, all of those

things, those are living inside of you.

OK, So they they need your nutrients, you know, they need

all of these things in order to survive.

And then there's external toxins.

And those are going to be things like pesticides that are sprayed

in food, radiation in EMF's, medications, they all have,

they're all toxic to some degree.

Those are external toxins. So you also want to make sure

that you're doing the right type of detoxification depending on

what you're needing and in the right order.

So one thing is you always want to kill, like get rid of mold

before you do parasites, before heavy metals.

Some people will try to jump to like, well, I've got Mercury or

you know, like do a heavy metal detox and you really you got to

do things in a certain order. OK wow there's a a lot to that.

I personally have not partaken but my wife does some detoxes

and things like that and I I did not realize there was that much

structure to it or or that much science behind it.

I'm learning new things today. I love.

It Yeah, I love it. I love it that you're here

asking these questions so now you can talk to your wife about

detox. Yeah, maybe I'll understand what

she's telling me now. You said that you wanted to be a

doctor very early on, that that was kind of a goal from the time

of childhood. When was it that you felt the

call to be an entrepreneur and and run your own shop instead of

working for somebody else? Well, when I finished school, I

was kind of like, so I can go work with for someone else, but

then I'm going to just, you know, have to be paid what

they're going to pay me. And at that time it wasn't a

whole lot, you know, And also then I'm going to have, I have

all the constraints of the schedules, the long days, like

all of these things. And I was like, well, if I'm in

my mind, I was like, well, if I'm going to be struggling, I'm

going to be struggling building my own, my own practice, my own

thing at this time. So I kind of just finished

school and then and I, I had always done like even like multi

level marketing stuff when I was younger, like in my early 20s

that, you know, that's kind of like business type mind stuff.

And so I've always been a very entrepreneurial person since I

was very young. So yeah, it was once I was done

with school and ever since I, I did have right after my divorce,

I did have AW two job. It was in the pharmaceutical

just for like a short period of time and then I went back.

I was like, I'm going to do consulting work for myself in

that way. So I feel like entrepreneurs

were kind of this. We're just a different kind of

human, you know, like it's not easy being an entrepreneur at

all. You know, it's like, it would be

so easy to go clock in, shut my computer.

But even a lot of my friends that still work in like

corporate situations at once, you're in leadership, you know,

that's a whole different ball game.

It's not easy just shutting your computer, turning it off.

You know, the work doesn't stop then either.

I think it's really about finding work life

sustainability. I don't really believe in

balance per SE, but what? Are that I love that the

sustainability instead of balance that's.

Yeah. I picked up on that.

Yeah, it's important, you know, like what are we doing to really

be able to sustain our bodies or what are we doing to be able to

sustain our marriages, our relationships, like all of those

over time and what we do day-to-day really impacts that.

Yeah, I like that. I I like that.

The saying or the quote, you know, you got to choose your

hard. Life is going to be hard either

way. Choose your hard.

And I like what you said there. I I was going to struggle either

way. And I can struggle working for

someone else or I can struggle building my own things.

Yeah, that's great. Well, I imagine it sounds like

you, you've built a a couple of practices now with a a few major

life upheavals in the process. What was the most difficult

thing that you encountered building the the various

businesses that you've run? There's so many, you know, I

think for me it has really been learning that sustainability

factor because I can work, you know, like my parents raised me

to like put my head down in the ground and work.

You know, like I I can go. I can put too much on my plate

and still kind of, you know, make it all happen, right?

And then do it, do it with excellence too, right?

But I think my, my biggest thing was when I became, I'm remarried

now. And now we have, you know, more

children. And really for me, it has been

the journey of wearing all the different hats that I wear as

someone who owns my own business.

I'm a mother, I'm a wife, I'm a friend.

I do things in my church, all of those without it crushing me.

I have I have done it done it prior where it's it has taken

over and that's all my kids see as mommy working and my husband

just kind of being ignored over here.

And that that has been, that has been the thing because I think

for me there, there was a lot of the way that I was raised, the

ways that I what I believe about myself, my own enoughness, even

though, you know, I'm a doctor and you would think, OK, like

she's a doctor, right? I don't, I don't really look at

it that way. There's still a lot in our in

our journeys that have us like when we're high achieving people

like go that there's the voices and the things that still say

it's not enough, you know, that pushes us to keep, keep going.

So I would say that that has been my my biggest journey.

I know that's a little different than like building a team or the

whole of those things, although that is a thing.

Yeah, that that's awesome. You, you hit two things in there

I want to touch on and this is not in in my notes, but I just,

I hear it talked about a lot and you kind of brought it up there.

I think when our culture, a man that starts a business and is

hard charging and, and works too much, that's almost honored and

lifted up. And you know, as a woman in a

professional environment, not so much in our culture.

And if you, if you go to work and work hard, you're told that

you're neglecting your family. And if you ease off at work and

take care of your family, you kind of get this guilt that like

you're not living into your potential.

And I hear from a lot of women that that's a very real thing

and a difficult thing. How have you walked through

that? What I, I guess maybe what

balance or what solution have you come up for with that?

Do you experience that? Yeah, I think one of the biggest

things for me, and it's what I help a lot of people that I work

with with as well, is building a good team, a support system

around me. And there's the people that, you

know, sometimes we just have to ask for help, right?

We have to, and then trust people to be able to help us and

not, you know, mess things up. And so there's that leaning on

people and then also the people directly in our team.

So I have been very intentional with my hiring and I actually

enjoy hiring. I enjoy hiring.

I don't enjoy firing, but I will.

And I used to hold on to people for a long time, like, OK, you

know, like hope they'll get better and, you know, give them

another chance. And then, you know, like all all

the things. And now I'm like, Nope, we got

it's you just can't for the sake of the business, for my own

sanity. One thing is that I feel that

anyone that we hire, they need to be doing one of three things.

All three would be great, but at least one of three things.

They need to be saving US time. They need to either be making us

money or saving US money. And then they need to be

reducing our stress or bringing us Peace of Mind.

So that is, if I, and it's important that we delegate,

delegate appropriately, have SO PS in place, all of those

different types of things, give people the autonomy to be able

to fulfill the task that we need.

We do if then, then that type of SOP.

So if this happens, then you do that.

So teaching them how to think like how would, how would I as

the owner operator, you know, how would I, how would I do

that? That has been a big piece for me

because that has allowed me to actually be able to shut my

computer at the end of the day where before it was like, I'm

just, I'm just working all the time.

So having those people in place has been a big part.

And then also realizing for myself and also my team knowing

this, this is an emergency room. And for a lot of us, we don't

work in a, it's not an emergency.

Like it's there may be things in there.

There may be some things in some people's positions where it's

like, you know, there's we have to address this right now, but

everything is in an emergency all the time.

So having that in place and then also I have transition routines

for myself. So you know, a lot of times you

may have, I have morning routines and evening routines

too. They're quick and we can talk a

little bit about that if you want, but we're going.

To we're going to dive into that here in a little bit for.

Sure. OK, good.

So, but I have transition routines that I have that

literally just and I'll, I'll give an evening routine as an

example of my son. My son is 2.

He's about to be 3. And he knows, you know, at night

time it's like, OK, time for bed.

He knows that's a cue for him. And he's like, OK, you know, he

knows he's about to go get a bath, have his bath, you know,

get lotion down, pajamas on, story read to him, go to bed.

He that's a routine that he has that's been created for him.

So it's a signal to his body. It's time for rest.

And he he goes to bed now. Now he didn't in the beginning,

it took a little work with him. He was a little harder than my

girls, but you know, he knows, he knows now we can lay him down

awake that way, you know, and he, he goes to bed.

But we're very consistent with that routine.

So there's things that we have to do for our bodies and our

brains to trigger. It's time to turn off and

turning off work is one of them. Transition routines could be

things that you know, and I work from home, so it's like the

kitchen's right there. The kids are right here.

My, my office is between two of my daughter's rooms.

There's a space here. So I have to be very intentional

to cue my body, cue my mind. It's, it's off.

So that could be things like writing down your To Do List

like a brain dump right after work.

Everything I got to get done tomorrow.

So I'm not thinking about it while I'm hanging out with my

husband or cooking dinner or with my kids.

I'm not thinking about my employee or a client or, you

know, something we've got to get done tomorrow.

It's on that piece of paper. It will be there tomorrow.

That really helps to get that out of our brain onto paper.

You can also do other routines where these are a little more

girly, but like essential oils, you know, like different things,

like turn some on, like cue the brain.

They're they're very good for signaling different things

within the brain. Yeah, the the brain responds

really well to sense, right? Yes, very well to sense so you

can have sense that you use it like OK, now it's, you know,

family time. Now you could have calming

routines, music, you know, now I turn on my song.

Like when you see someone go up on stage and they turn on music

for that person. That kind of thing you can have

for yourself, you know, you could be coming home from work

and just take, you know, I'm taking 10 deep breaths, maybe

even saying a prayer and like, okay, now, now I'm leaving

everything that happened at work and now I'm going into my

sanctuary to my home. So transition routines are

really good for that. Man, that was, there's a lot of

gold material right there. I know we, we were planning on

talking a lot more about health and you're just throwing out

leadership and business advice for, for those of you guys that

are listening on 1.5 or 2 speed, you need to slow it down and

rewind that last few minutes. There's, there's a lot there

with training your staff and the Sops and hiring and firing.

That's there's a lot of great lessons and what you just shared

there. So I noticed you were pretty

intentional talking about work life sustainability and not work

life balance. What does that distinction mean

to you? What?

What does it mean to be sustainable rather than finding

balance? Well, I think about balance as

like if I'm trying to stand on one leg and juggle, you know,

like it's, it's just hard, right, Right.

It's it's just not, it's not going to work and you can't do

that long term, right. And not all, not everything in

our life is always going to get equal amounts of attention all

the time, right? There are going to be two

seasons in our businesses and in our work where that is more of

the focus. And there may be seasons where

family is more of a focus. Like when you have a baby, you

know, where when a loved one's sick or when your kids have

things going on with their games and things like that.

So you're, you're always kind of moving things around.

And then the sustainability part for me is really, what are we

doing today that is really going to allow us to live, you know,

20-30 years from now? So if you're, we're in our 40s

now, what am I doing today that the 60 year old version of me

can thank me for? Like I'm, I'm so glad you did

that, Alicia, because now I can still get up and down the

stairs. I can get on the floor with my

grandkids, you know, like what, what am I doing now?

So I really look at the, the sustainability factor of our

health, our stress levels, what we're in taking as far as toxins

in the environment, toxins on TV, you know, that's it.

We don't really think of toxins as TV things, but like what,

what are we inputting all the time?

And can we sustain a, can we do that long term?

That's the way that I look at work life sustainability.

Yeah, that's great. I love it because, yeah, there

there are times when you don't get to just split, you know,

personal time, family time and work time.

One third, one third and one third.

Sometimes, like work might take 100% today or this week or for

this season. But yes, it's orchestrating your

life in a way that I, I love that what you said, that

yourself 20 years from now is going to be grateful for the

steps you took today. That's perfect.

I love that I don't think I've heard it put that way before.

The one thing we do have to be careful about, because we do

this a lot as entrepreneurs and leaders, is when the work is

taking 100%, we're like, I'll get to it when and then that you

know that the win may happen. We may hit that miles milestone,

you that, that goal and then we move that goal post again and

now we have a new project and then we're like, we'll get to

it. Then you know, when I'm when I'm

done with this, OK, I'm almost done.

You know, once I get through this, you know, this quarter,

then I'll do that. We have to be mindful of that

too. And it takes time.

It just it takes time to say, OK, I'm going to start

integrating more of more of the family aspect or the our hobbies

and things like that into life too.

We got to be conscious of that. Yeah.

Were you having a conversation with my wife before we got on?

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up show. Do you have an opinion that you

once held pretty strongly that you've changed your mind about

throughout your personal health journeys, your your business and

leadership journey? Something where you learn

something or realize something that really shifted your opinion

about it. I am very opinionated.

I have very strong opinions. Are the ones that have changed.

I'm sure there are and that's a good question.

Feel like I've, I've loosened because I used to like once I

went into like the holistic world, I went very like all

natural, like everything, you know, like I was very extreme

and now I'm much more balanced and I'm, and especially even

with my kids too, because they they're, you know, you go to

school, they're they love some talkies and all kinds of things,

right that I'm like, don't eat that.

But even with myself, I give myself more grace.

And I think in general, even with leadership too, I, I've

always been very like, you know, hard working, you know, and I'm

going to work hard. I'm going to do it.

I'm going to do it right. And I've, I've given myself a

lot more grace now, you know, that like, like everything is in

an emergency, you know, it's OK if mistakes happen, we can, we

can correct those types of things.

Even even with our teams, you know, it's, it's always in even

giving them that autonomy to make decisions.

Like if they understand our values of the company and

they're making those decisions based on that, like make your

decision and then we can decide, you know, afterwards, like maybe

there was something different that can be done.

We can give that autonomy. So I'm, I'm a lot more, I would

say gentle in general with myself.

And then, but I would say the holistic one, I'm much more

balanced. There is a place for medicine,

of course, our country when it comes to chronic disease, we're,

we're not this, we're not the place to have it right.

We, we make up 4.2% of the world's population and we take

over 65% of the medications. We're not winning when it comes

to chronic disease, obesity, heart disease, all of those

different type of things. But when it comes to acute

emergency care, like you definitely like have a heart

attack here. This is where you, you want to

have it. I don't want anyone to have one,

right? But if I feel like I'm more or

I'm more balanced in general when it comes to conventional

medicine and then like holistic, more natural approaches, there's

a place for different things. And then, you know, even

sometimes in just regular everyday issues, like you may

need to take some medicine. You know, I would say that's

where I've that was a good question.

What the think More on that one too.

That was a great answer. I I appreciate that.

So I know you, you had mentioned early on you wanted to go into

psychiatry, you went into kind of traditional medicine and now

functional medicine and are kind of getting more back towards

your psychiatric roots doing some, some team and performance

stuff. If you had to do it all over

again, would you follow the same route or would you do something

different? You know, I feel like my route

made me who I am, right? Like all of my experiences that

I've, I've gone through my, my schooling, my first marriage, I

recently heard someone call it a starter marriage.

I was like, no, OK, you know, that's a lighter way to say it.

You know, like all, all of those experiences with my kids, the

mistakes that I've made, it's, it's made me who I am and it's

also made me the, the type of leader that I am.

I think it's taken me on my journey of entrepreneurship from

the beginning as well, which I don't know if that would have

happened if I would have went into psychology 1st that way.

I, I took this class in undergrad called social

psychology and it's like psychology of people in like

groups. And I, it was my absolute

favorite class ever. And I was like, what is this

career? What is this?

And at the time, that teacher and they they may just not have

known, but they were like, it's like organizational psychology.

It's, it's a newer, it's a newer thing.

You work with companies. But there wasn't really a path

for me to go on with that. That was very clear to me.

And it may have been around, but this was over 20 years ago.

But yeah, in my mind, I'm always just like, and I think that's

with the tempting of the masters, with the organizational

development and executive leadership.

Yeah. I really am passionate about

that kind of work. But I feel like I have, instead

of the educational route of having gone that way, I have the

real life experience route of that.

So I don't know. I don't think I'd change it.

It's just a new, you know, no, I wouldn't change it.

I wouldn't. Yeah.

And I know clearly as as an entrepreneur you mentioned,

yeah, being an entrepreneur is hard.

It's difficult running a business.

You're going to face hard things in life.

Yeah. You know, even with great

parents or kind of a normal childhood with your your dad's

job and his work ethic, it seems like you had some hard things

growing up and going through a starter marriage.

You've pushed through a lot of hard things to get to where you

are. What is it that really keeps you

pushing and moving forward when life gets hard?

I have to say it's my relationship with God that's

very anchoring for me. I feel like there's a few things

that are very like knowing that all things are working out for

my good. Like that just always recenters

me always like it's, it's, it's that.

And that's probably like the biggest thing that I lean into

that's that's like a specific scripture too, that just like

all things are working out for my good.

So even in my, my darkest days, and I have at different times in

my life gone into very, you know, deep depressions.

And I, I feel like I can remind myself on those days when those

things do happen and I, I feel hopeless, I always remind myself

it's not always going to stay this way.

You know, the sun, you know, always comes out in the morning.

You know, it's dark right now. And just knowing it's, it's

working out, You know, even when things in my business, you know,

because businesses have ebbs and flows, right?

There's contracts, there's, there's employees, there's just

all these different things. And that anchors me like, you

know what? No, no matter what's happening

right now, it is working out for my good.

And that is a promise that's been made and it's always been

fulfilled. There's nothing, all the things,

all, all the different things that have happened to me in my

life. It's like, Nope, there's Yep, it

all. It all worked out.

I, I ended up OK eventually. It's not a promise of exactly

when, but that it it will work out.

OK. Yeah, that's awesome.

I appreciate that. So what has been your greatest

resource to grow as a leader? I would say besides my

relationship with God coaches, I think it's good to have good

mentors, people that you can ask advice to that have been in your

shoes, you know, that have already gone down the road.

And I, and I feel like in some aspects I've kind of pioneered

in a way there wasn't, there wasn't like a family member or

anything who, who had what business or went to even school.

You know, I'm the first person in my family to go to school.

My mom, she dropped out in high school.

Both my grandmother's don't have beyond a third grade education.

So, you know, even that, but I, I think I've always looked for

people like, OK, well, who's doing this?

You know, and it's, it's helpful to be able to see it, even if I

don't know him personally to have that.

And then now in business is very much like I hire coaches, I hire

people that can help me with business structure or offers

contracts, like those different types of things that I can get

advice from. Awesome.

Awesome. Well, thank you.

And yeah, I appreciate spending so much time learning about you

and your business. And I know you're probably

anxious to to dive into some more of the the specifics.

You know, we, we deal with a lot of blue collar industries, a lot

of guys that are kind of out in the field doing physical work.

I know you've spent a lot of time working with that.

What are some of the early red flags for like a team leader

that might be facing some burnout?

What are things we should be looking for?

That's a good question. So some of the early red flags

are going to be that check engine light going off, right?

So there could be things like making your decision making, it

slows down, right? You're dealing with decision

fatigue like all day. You're having to make decisions.

Small things start feeling harder than they should.

You start avoiding conversations or putting calls off.

When it comes to your health physically, you know, your sleep

starts getting choppy or you're waking up at 3:00 AM in the

middle of the night thinking about work, struggling, you

know, to get through your day without coffee, caffeine, all of

those different types of things. That's like, OK, your body is

really not able to sustain you with that work life

sustainability, you know, like the capacity, like just within

your own means inside your body. You're needing assistance with

that. Another big one is you stop

enjoying the things that used to make you happy, right?

So it's like you were doing things that you enjoy, but now

it's like they don't recharge you.

You don't, you don't even want to be bothered with that.

So if any of those types of things sound familiar, then

burnouts probably on the horizon or it's already started.

Yeah. Yeah, that's good stuff.

I know you know. Yeah.

Growing up in the trades, working in the trades, you

alluded to it earlier. A lot of men and especially blue

collar men, they don't want to go to the doctor.

They don't like going to the doctor.

Probably everybody's seen it. I I've seen a couple reels and

memes that, you know, the blue collar guy goes to the doctor

and the doctor says, well, how much pain are you in?

He says, well, the usual amount doctors usual amount is none

like, oh, well, that we have a problem, you know.

So for the for the blue collar guys guy that does not like

talking to a doctor, I guess what would you have to say to

that person that's that's resisting kind of getting in,

talking to somebody, making some adjustments?

What kind of things would you categorize as concerning that

they need to really be watching out for?

And then what encouragement would you have for them to to

take some steps towards being more healthy?

Yeah, yeah. So I get it with not wanting,

like you said, going to the doctor.

And like I said, the the women normally just order the labs for

the husband. We're like, let's order them,

have them, take them. But one thing that I love about

men is that when you guys see your results, you're like, OK,

yeah, I'm going to do something about that where that's

different with women, you know, it's like, OK, now we're we're

going to like, how are we going to do this?

Where I feel like with men, it's like, once you do have it and

you have your plan in place, you do implement.

It's just getting you, getting you there.

And I know it's it's not something that you want to deal

with. You know, it's not fun to talk

to. And sometimes it can be scary

too, because you're like, OK, what's going to show up on these

labs, right? I say this and it's because it's

the truth and I feel like it needs to be said, but the first

sign of the heart attack 50% of the time is the heart attack.

And the, and 50% of those people die of the heart attack.

The other 50% have these beginnings.

That's the medical term for it. It blows my mind.

But beginnings, they're the signs that are check engine

light going off. So they're, they are all the

things like if you're getting dizzy, you know, when you stand

up, that could be something dealing with your adrenal

glands, which produce your stress hormones, cortisol that

pumps out. And if it's not doing well, like

if your adrenal glands aren't pumping out the hormones, well,

it basically doesn't raise your blood pressure enough to get to

your brain fast enough, right? There could be issues with

dehydration. There could be other things

going on as well. The fatigue is a big one, you

know, like it's not normal to be tired all the time.

Headaches, that's a big one too. Sometimes I'll hear people,

they're just like, I only get a headache a few times a week, you

know, And it's like, no, it no, you're not.

That's it's common, right? It's very common, but it's not

normal. It's not the way that our our

bodies were designing. Really.

I want you to think about these signs as check engine light as a

gift. OK, It's a gift because it's

it's letting you know, hey, something's off here.

You need to get checked. So the low energy, headaches,

dizziness, the trouble sleeping at night, that's a big one as

well, too. If you're waking up in the

middle of the night, there could be things going on with your

blood sugar that could be spiking in the middle of the

night. It could be cortisol, your

stress hormone. It could be parasites as well.

Parasites have a witching hour in the middle of the night that

can disrupt sleep. Digestion issues.

Our big one as well, too. A lot of times we and bloated is

a word that women use. I don't know, do men use the

word bloated like I'm bloated? I don't know.

We play that. We'd probably go more gassy,

but. OK, gassy.

OK, yeah. So being gassy is not normal,

you know, having to fart all the time.

You know, it's it's not. And our farts do tell us things.

But really, in all seriousness, and I know we don't talk about

this a lot, but you want to have good healthy bowel movements,

you know, because we're exposed to all of these toxins.

Our, our food sources here are awful.

You know, there's all these things.

And we don't want all that to get stored in our bodies or we

want to be able to just how we talked about detoxification,

poop, pee and sweat. You know, you want it if you're

not sweating when you work out, you know, that's that that's a

thing. But you want to be able to get

the toxins out of your body. Otherwise they stay in there,

they get stored in your fat cells, all of those different

types of things carrying a lot of weight around the belly

section that can indicate insulin resistance.

So insulin resistance is very much tied into which which turns

into diabetes, you know, which is connected to all of your

metabolic pathways when it comes to cardiovascular disease, all

of those types of things. Those are some of the things to

look out for. But I love what you said.

Just no, it's not normal. Like 0 is normal.

Yeah, yeah, I, I like what you said there.

It's common, but not normal. I think that's something that a

lot of us need to hear. Just because everybody you know

experiences the same thing does not mean that you're healthy.

Yeah. Yeah, you might be in an

environment in a situation where you're all not doing well.

So yeah. And it what I'm picking up from

a lot of what you're saying, they're reading between the

lines, you know, my exposure, which is limited.

I'm one of those, you know, my, my wife is probably the the

health expert in our home. I ignore most of it, but I feel

like a lot of the holistic medicine that I've been exposed

to is, well, you know, you do this, this and this, and if

you're not doing this, you do this.

And if you are doing this, you do this.

But it sounds like you're describing something that it's

very complex, very diverse, and that testing plays a pretty

critical role. It's not as simple as just, you

know, drink enough water, eat the right diet, and you'll be OK

there. There's a lot of factors at

play. Is that accurate?

There are a lot of factors at play and that's what I love

about testing. We can get very specific, very

personalized with what each individual needs.

Two things is 1 is I love supplements.

I have my own supplement line. I, I love natural things.

Yeah, I love all of these things.

But if we're just using even natural things like, well, let

me take some melatonin to sleep, you know, or let me take some

B12 for energy when we're doing those types of things, but we're

not dealing with the root cause, it's still like just putting

that sticker over that check engine light, you know?

So we have to be careful even with those that weren't still

not just treating the symptom, we're treating the root of

what's going on. And then the other thing, you

had said something that was really good.

You know, I think even a lot of people that maybe take their

health more seriously than is common, you know, they yeah,

they hop on a good multivitamin. They they take certain

supplements for certain things. But it sounds like even we're

kind of dabbling in ordinary supplements probably needs to be

combined with some testing to see if you're taking what you

need and really solving the problems.

Is that accurate? Or are there some supplements

that just pretty much everybody needs needs all the time?

There you go. Now I remember what I was going

to say. That's exactly where I was going

to go. OK, so there are some, there are

some just basic general things for everyone too.

You know, it's really, I was talking to someone the other day

and they give a beautiful analogy of it.

Like it's that last mile of a marathon where it gets very

tweaking with different things, but there are just some standard

things that you and those that are listening as well need

overall. So magnesium is a really big

one. Most people are deficient in

magnesium. It is the first.

It's like a nutrient that's used for over 300 different reactions

in the body and stress. It pulls on your magnesium.

I'm a fan of magnesium thyronate and there's lots of different

magnesiums. So magnesium thyronate and that

one is good because it's the only one that crosses the blood

brain barrier. So it, it helps with focus, it

helps with attention, it helps with sleep as well at night.

So you, you don't have to take it at night.

I enjoy taking it at night because I feel like every time I

do, I'm like, oh, that was some good sleep.

But it helps you get into to some deep R.E.M. sleep.

So magnesium furanate is a really good one, a good a good

multivitamin as well. And then also omegas.

Omegas are a good one that we need because we're exposed to a

lot of inflammatory oils which come in packaged foods, fast

food, fried foods, even a lot of nuts and seeds.

And that can create inflammation in the body and inflammation

drives all disease. So omegas are something that you

need because everything in your body needs them, like your

system, your hormones, your brain, your heart all need

omegas. But it also helps combat that

ratio too. So a good Omega, Omega threes as

well. And then when it comes to

nutrition, protein and good fats is where you want to focus.

There's there's lots of debate on carbohydrates.

We don't have to get into all of that, but and good fats is where

you you've got to focus. So good fats are going to be can

come from your omegas. Extra virgin olive oil.

One thing to know though about extra virgin olive oil is, and

women may care about this more than men, but like when you

drizzle it all over everything, each tablespoon of that has like

100 to 130 calories in it. So sometimes people are like

drizzling like 8, you know, 8 tablespoons and they put like

800 calories on their salad, right?

So you got to be careful with that.

The other thing is with olive oil because everybody now knows,

oh, olive oil is good for me, they start cooking with it on

high heat. If you cook with it on high

heat, it makes it, it makes it rancid, it makes those oils

inflammatory. So now you're doing the exact

opposite. So I just recommend drizzling

olive oil or using it to lightly saute and it's better to cook

with something like avocado oil or tallow or butter ghee, those

types of things that coconut oil that are do better on high heat.

I know I went on a little ramp there.

Oh no, I love that. OK.

I've heard, you know, it seems like everybody's on one side or

the other. Either olive oil is the answer

or it's what's killing you. And I think you just brought

that first full circle for me to understand.

It may be a little bit of both. It is high calorie, it's good

for you, but don't cook with it on high heat.

That's kind of the exactly. OK.

All right. Good, good, good.

OK. I'm glad that was helpful.

Yeah, some of these things I can talk about for days.

So you, you want to make sure that you're getting the good

fats in avocado, salmon, coconut, all of those things are

good fats. The meat from like if you like a

rib eye steak, I love a rib eye steak.

You want, you want, you want your meat to be grass fed

though, just because the conventional meat, it's they're

fed corn and all these other things that cows weren't

necessarily designed to eat. And they're also inflammatory

and then they're eating it. We are eating it.

So the fat in that is inflammatory, but grass fed,

you're getting good omegas from that.

Eggs are another good source of that.

If you're doing like pasture raised eggs, you want to have a

nice dark yolk too for the egg. OK, so when you look at it, you

don't want like a bright yellow or light pale yellow.

You want a nice dark orange yolk inside.

So those are all really good fats.

And then now we've kind of stepped into proteins because

your eggs have protein, your rib eye has protein.

And what you want to do is you want to get in whatever your

ideal body weight is. So let's say your ideal, and

this is easier for men, let's say your ideal body weight is

what do men want to weigh 180? I don't know, 200 that's a lot.

Sure, for women, typically it's a little lower, but typically

that's how many grams of protein you want to get in a day of of

protein, your ideal body weight. So if it's if it's 200, that's

quite a lot of protein, but try to get in at least like 160

grams of protein a day. Those are really important for

building blocks, all those amino acids and everything to build up

everything in your in your body, all of your organs, your

tissues, your heart, all of that.

So really focusing, making sure that you're not deficient in

those and getting in good protein and good fats.

That's great. I love that I could eat rib eyes

and eggs. If that's all I ever ate, I'd be

happy. So now I can tell my wife that I

I got that advice from an expert.

Men, men do really good on things like carnivore and all of

that where you are eating a lot of that.

Women, we have to be a little bit more particular because of

our hormones and then our need for glucose and all of that.

But yeah, men, you guys do good on that.

Yeah. Just make sure it's good.

It's good sourced meat though. OK, Yeah, that's the key.

We don't don't want all the the corn and the additives in there.

It has to be good grass, pet grass.

Fed, however, from the Alicia that has a little more balance.

It is better for to have like the meat sourced protein versus

having, you know, the Big Mac, right, like with the bread and

you know all of those different types of things as well too.

So little, you know, give and take there.

Gotcha. SO a lot of our listeners are

probably working in the trades. Maybe they, they travel for

work, they're, you know, hitting gas stations or fast food for

lunch or maybe even all three meals if they're working out of

town, You know, what are, what are some simple things that they

could do to improve their health given the lifestyle that maybe

they're kind of stuck in? So when going through fast food

or gas stations and things like that, maybe just take off, get

it what is in and out, call it. And I know in and outs, not

everywhere they call it like green style or they call it

something, it's got a cute name. But when you get the burger, and

I know it might be hard in the beginning, but get it without

the bun, you know, that's just all just refined grains.

That's all that does is spike your blood sugar.

So here's the thing too, and men may not say it as much as women,

but I know a lot of men do care about weight and all of those

types of things in appearance when glucose goes up.

And that is, that comes from, you know, the bread from the

burger or candy snacks, you know, any kind of sugar, it goes

up. Insulins got to come out and

it's got to lower it and it's got to bring it down.

And when people start becoming insulin resistant, it's when

they need more and more and more because they're caught their

bodies constantly flooded with this glucose right from

different refined carbohydrates. So it's important for two

reasons. 1 is when glucose goes up, insulin's got to come out

and it's got to lower it. Insulin's a fat storing hormone.

So if you're trying to lose weight, it's going to be very

hard if insulin is having to come out all the time to do its

job. The other thing is, is if you're

needing lots of insulin to come out, it's very inflammatory.

And that's where we start getting into those conversations

about heart attacks and heart disease and all of those.

Those are all inflammatory driven diseases.

I know I'm going down the like the, the scary route again.

But it's important, you know, because all of us have family,

you know, and I'm very passionate about this because

this is the way that the people in my family leave, leave us,

you know, like they're here one day and they're gone the next,

you know, And it, it is an awful thing to watch My uncle, you

know, he worked same thing as my dad.

So they, they both started at General Motors and then my dad

moved, you know, to Kansas City from when they opened a plant

there. But, you know, he worked and

worked and worked and worked and then he retired and then he had

a heart attack, you know, and it's like that's, that's not

the, the route that we want. And he's not here with us

anymore, you know, and then also even before that was starting to

have knee issues and, you know, just all of these things.

So I, I know I, I don't, I don't want to be the bearer of like

bad news, But sometimes we, we need to pay attention to that

because one, we have purposes to fulfill on this earth and we

have family that love us. They want us.

They want us to be here for us and not leave too.

Yeah. Yeah, that's great.

And I know a lot of people in in my circle and probably a lot of

our listeners are a little bit younger.

They maybe are not concerned about the heart attack now.

What would you say to the, you know the 20 year old, the 22

year old that still has a fast metabolism seems to be doing

well but it is living an unhealthy lifestyle.

What advice or encouragement would you have for them to to

take care of things now? I think just start with the

little things, start being cognizant and also pay

attention, you know, like you might.

I feel like you're, you know, I'm, I'm good, I'm working, I'm

doing all these things. But then are you, you know, how

are you sleeping through the night?

How is your focus? How is your energy levels?

Are you needing a bunch of caffeine to get through the day?

Those those are the things to pay attention to now, right?

Also, how is that impacting, you know, your relationships with

your staff, you know, how is that impacting your relationship

with your, your wife or your significant other, your kids?

You know, if you're, if you do have some of those check engine

lights going off and you're giving everything to work right

now, is there anything leftover afterwards?

I, and just to go back to your question and tie it in here,

because I kind of went on, went down the road of inflammation in

the body. I'm so passionate about it for

even the young person and even the older person who's going to,

you know, you're grabbing the fast food or going to the gas

station, all of those different types of things, which I even do

myself. You know, I've got kids.

I'm, I'm rocking and rolling. It's like what, what are we

going to eat tonight? One thing that you can really do

is like beef sticks and things like that.

Those can be, those can be helpful.

Paleo Valley has some great ones.

There's a lot of really good beef sticks out there now, but

different kinds of snacks that you can take with you.

So you're not waiting, you're not allowing like your blood

sugar to drop too low. You're able to have like good

protein throughout the day. Other things are, like I said,

taking, you know, starting small with small things, saying, you

know what, I'm going to do something a little healthy for

myself. Like give yourself a pat on the

back. Like I took the, I took the

bread off. I'm going to, I'm just going to

eat it in the lettuce wrap, right.

Yeah. Go for the sweet potato fries

instead of the regular fries. Those, those could be things

sometimes if the place has a salad, you know, get the salad,

put the protein on it, you know, add, add, add protein to it.

So it's, it's really those little things that seems so

minute that really do make a big difference later on.

And then also another thing that we haven't talked about is the

stress and like managing stress as well too.

We talked a little bit about the transition routines, but stress

is also a big driver of a lot of health issues.

OK, well, I, I want to dive into that a little bit deeper, but

you just brought something up of like, you know, needing caffeine

to get through the day in the world that I'm in, you know,

there's two types of people. There's the people that drink

coffee all day and the people that drug chug energy drinks.

So, yeah, what what would you have to share with our listeners

about that as far as the effects of caffeine in general, coffee,

energy drinks, What is that doing to our bodies, our

systems? How does that affect things?

Well, it burns out the system because we're we're injecting

this caffeine, right, Energy drinks coffee, which isn't all

bad. Like I, I drink coffee.

I, I enjoy a good cup of coffee, right, but it's causing the body

to produce this excess adrenaline, right?

It's given us like the get up and go, right?

And when I work with people that especially have been doing this

for a long time, which is most people, you know, I know in your

industry and just I feel like the world in general.

There's like a Starbucks on every corner, right?

And all these different coffee shops popping up and you go into

the gas station, there's all types of energy drinks there.

Used to. I feel like there used to just

be Red Bull, but now there's all kinds of things there, right?

We, we, sorry, I'm going to interrupt for just a second.

I'm in primarily roofing and single ply membrane roofing and

we work with some, some pretty strong chemicals and there's a

new energy drink out. I won't, I won't name it right

now, but the, the name of it matches one of the really strong

chemicals that we use in our roofing.

And one of the guys walked in about a year ago into our office

holding one of those and I looked at the name of it and I

pulled up the MSDS sheet for that chemical that we use and

handed it to him. Like, do you really want to

drink that? I'm sure it was not the same

thing, but the, the naming was very similar with the, the

energy drink and the very harmful chemical that we use and

have to take precautions with. It was quite interesting.

So sorry I I. Interrupted you there.

No, you're good. So you're talking about the the

effects of coffee and energy drinks on our body and kind of

what that does to us. Yeah, so it's going to increase

your adrenaline. Cortisol is your stress hormone

and cortisol is really designed to just be there short term.

OK, so think about in a hunter gatherer days, when we were out,

you know, the men were hunting, the women were, you know, home

with the children maybe gathering berries and things

like that, right? Imagine it's a lion coming after

you or a bear or something like that.

What you would do is you would defend, you would protect,

right? You would get rid of the

invader, right? The lion, you would either fight

it or you would run away, right? But either way, the the body

you're, you're eliminating the stressor from the body.

And we were only meant to deal with this type of stress short

term. OK, so just when that invader

comes in, cortisol, adrenaline, all of that comes out for that

short period of time and then our bodies go back.

And that's called fight or flight.

It's our sympathetic nervous system.

It comes out short term and then our bodies should return to

parasympathetic state, which is rest and digest.

It also ties into testosterone and for women, their sex

hormones like progesterone and estrogen, right?

So when our bodies in this fight or flight state, it can't be in

the parasympathetic. So that's going to that's going

to interfere with your digestion, your ability to

sleep, perhaps your libido, which is becoming more of an

issue for younger men even now due to the different things in

the environment and then also due to chronic stress as well,

you know, so that's, that's very important.

So the effects of caffeine is pretty much forcing the body

into this place where, you know, the heart rate goes up, higher

blood pressure, you have increased alertness, which you

want, glucose comes out more. So remember, glucose goes up,

insulin's got to come out to lower that.

It's very inflammatory. If you're also trying to lose

weight, it's a fat storing hormone and it can help you stay

focused, motivated, ready to go. I use it on days occasionally

where I'm like, OK, I'm, I want to get some things done right

and I get to enjoy the effects of it because I use it every

once in a while, but chronically using it like I, I know a lot of

people that they just day in and day out.

It's, it's almost like it, you know, you can drink some coffee

and then go to sleep, right? It's not even you don't even get

enjoy the good effects of it anymore.

And for some people on the other end, it can create anxiousness,

jitteriness, irritability, interrupt their sleep and all of

that. So those those are some of the

things that it can have due to the sympathetic nervous system

and then also impacts our dopamine pathway.

So I feel good pathway. So on one side of it, it can be.

That's why people enjoy it too, is because it produces that

motivation, helps with mood, the reward behavior, like who I feel

good, right? So you you've got to use it in

balance. And if you're having to use it

all the time, that's not normal. OK, All right.

So if like I said, in in my world, there's two kinds of

people, the coffee people and the energy drink people.

Yeah, if you're using caffeine selectively in appropriate doses

to give you that that boost that energy, is there one that's

better than the other? Oh, OK.

So when it comes to coffee and coffee is so moldy, which a lot

of people don't realize, I almost would lean towards an

energy drink unless you're having coffee that's like mold

free or organic. And I say that because in the

same thing when it comes to like grains and things like that.

So think about like coffee, it gets wet, it gets moldy, they

just still grind all that up right?

And they give it to us. But coffee has your polyphenols

in it. But coffee does have a lot of

good benefits if you're like have good source coffee.

And also I've seen some good energy drinks out there that

have like the B vitamins and things like that in there too.

I would lean towards one of those two versus the ones that

just have like the hardcore caffeine in it.

That way I would, I don't want to get my coffee from, I mean

not my coffee, my caffeine from the coffee or from like an

energy drink that may use like green tea or something like

that. OK.

All right. That's interesting.

And so you brought up something this is brand new to me.

I'd never heard that with the the mold and the toxins that can

be introduced in coffee. Is there a difference like if

you buy whole beans and grind it yourself versus buying ground

coffee or it you mentioned organic might be better?

You know, if we're going to use coffee for our caffeine source,

what is the the best source? You I would get organic coffee.

So organic has been typically cleared for mold, but there's

always like the controversies around like organic.

And then there's some because this is a real issue with

coffee. There are ones that you can look

for that are like mold certified, like they've been

tested and all of that. Yeah, it's, it's a whole thing

in the coffee world with that. So I I would do that and then

also whole bean and then grind it yourself if you can, but I

know that's not always convenient as well.

Yeah, that's interesting that you're bringing up stuff.

I've never never dove into it all so.

Well, you're asked, I haven't been asked these types of

questions either. So it's like on the spot, like

what would I, what would I recommend?

Good deal. Well, you brought up, you know,

a lot of, it seems to me anyway, a lot of younger people are

maybe experiencing stress or showing the effects of stress

more so than we've seen in previous generations.

You know, you brought up the, the lack of libido and, and

higher stress, higher cortisol levels.

Do you have any thoughts about the the cause of that?

Is that reality? Are we experiencing that younger

with later generations or did people just not talk about it as

much in previous generations? You know, my dad, he's, he's in

his 80s, so he's technically from the silent generation and

my mom's a baby boomer. And you know, I think those

generations there is, there's a lot that just wasn't talked

about. However, I believe that we are

under a lot more stress because of technology and our

environment. We've had over 100,000 new

chemicals that have been brought onto the market since World War

2 that we're exposed to every single day.

So that that's a big issue as well.

So there's a few things that stress the body out.

So we know life, so life is going to life, right?

We're going to, we're going to have issues with work,

employees, our spouses, our kids, finances, all of those

types of things, right? And my view on that is that we

can't eliminate all stressors. What I help people do is

increase their zone of stress resiliency.

So think about it as you're going down a river, whitewater

rafting. Not not something I enjoy.

I've done it like a couple times and I'm like, I'm good.

So, but imagine you're whitewater rafting, you're going

down, but you're like hitting the sides, like the banks,

right? You're like just bumping.

What we want to do is we want to open up your zone of stress

resiliency. So we want to open that wider so

that when life lives, you're able to just go on that river a

lot easier without hitting the bank.

So that's, that's what we, I help people with really by

identifying a lot of what's going on with, you know,

delegation, asking for help, support, you know, what's going

on with relationships. How are we handling that like

our bodies inside? And then also we want to

eliminate the stressors that we can.

And those are things like a lot of the toxins, you know, we've

got toxins that are, there's two types of toxins.

There's biotoxins and then there's external toxins.

So biotoxins are going to be your mold, fungus, parasites,

bacteria, viruses. And then you've got your

external toxins, which are your things in the environment, which

I've said all this, right. Yeah.

I'm like, I'm repeating myself again.

So we've got all our biotoxins, but then we've got the

deficiency. So the lack of sleep, we've got

the issues with the gut, we've got lack of nutrients, so good

fats, protein, vitamins, minerals, amino acids, sunshine,

breathing, you know, like oxygen, all of those different

types of things that we want to reduce those stressors as much

as we can, which our food is much different than it was many

years ago. We're exposed to many more

toxins. And then because of technology,

we I believe we're just exposed to much more than we're really

designed as humans to even know about, right?

Like what's happening all over the world.

And the news is very much there to like instill fear.

Like there's think tanks that exist, you know, like it's, it's

a whole thing because that sells, you know, it's like

people are tuned into that. But that constant state of fear

that's poured into us through the news, the media, all the bad

things that are happening. You know, all of us, even today

have had beautiful things happen in our lives, whether it's been

an interaction with, you know, someone in our family, a

neighbor, someone at the store, You know, like most people are

good people, right? But that's not what we see when

we open up social media or the TV.

We're we're seeing a lot of negativity.

And it's, you know, that is hitting us the same way, that

cortisol, that bear, that lion, that tiger that's coming after

us, Our body physiologically is responding to all of those

things the same way. So whether it's toxins, whether

it's something you just saw on social media that's got you

pissed off or you know, you're not getting enough protein in,

you're skipping meals or something going on at work, your

body internally is still dealing with it the same way, the same

adrenaline's kicking in, cortisol, all of that.

So I I do believe we are under a lot more stress because of all

these different factors. Yeah.

So would you recommend checking out of social media and some of

the news sources? Yes.

Yeah, yes. That that's an easy answer

there. Yes.

And if you in, just in, you know, I think we're addicted to

it, you know, like it, it's created in a way.

It gives us those dopamine hits that feel good, you know, like,

oh, you know, the reels, like we can just scroll through them or

TikTok or, you know, whatever your favorite one is, it's, it's

there. And it gives us a false sense of

connection with people too, you know, like we feel like we know

people. We don't really know them, you

know. Yeah, it gives us like that we

feel like we're, you know, we're seeing or understanding what's

going on and it is hard in the the beginning of this year, we

did like a 21 day fast and I chose to do a media fast and it

was hard in the beginning. Like I just realized how much I

like just automatically and I and I really don't in general.

Like it's not my thing. Like I have seasons where I'll

I'll start scrolling. But it, it made me pause like,

OK, what am I going to do? Because it's easy like in the

evening to just kind of sit down and zone out.

But really our bodies aren't resting when we're, when we're

engaging in those activities. Like it's still like getting

amped up. And then depending on how much,

you know, if you, you get involved because, you know,

people get behind their keyboards nowadays and

everybody's fighting and arguing with each other.

And it's, it's probably like their neighbor next door that

they just waved at and didn't even, you know, realize it's not

really, but you know what, you know what I mean?

Like it's just another human that a lot of times people are

are fighting with and people are passionate about different

things and that's great. But yeah, my, my short to long

to now short again answer is like yes, it's it's important to

be able to disconnect from that and really connect with the

humans that are right in front of us.

Awesome. Well, I appreciate that.

And I know we've spent a lot of time kind of talking about the

the health aspects and diving more into that.

And like you say, you have two practices kind of the team

building coaching and functional medicine.

So I know you teach or promote something called integrative

leadership framework. What is that in plain English

and and how would a blue collar leader put that to work?

Yeah. So we look at three different

areas, business, body and belief or being.

So with when with belief in being like we're human beings,

not human doings, you know, so it, it starts to that part of

the framework really looks at like how we're showing up.

What do we believe about ourselves?

I touched on a little bit like if we have kind of a running

story in our mind, like I'm not good enough or I always mess up

or people always leave me. I got to do everything myself.

That impacts our work. It impacts our relationships.

So it really comes to, you know, how are we identifying within

and then coming into alignment with the truth of who we are and

how powerful we are as human beings, as and as leaders, and

then having the authority and autonomy to be able to walk that

out. And that also translates into

our leadership, you know, to be able to properly delegate.

So when we look at the business aspect of things, and even for

those that aren't in business, we have lives, right?

And we have to look at like where our time is being spent,

where our energy is being spent as well.

So for me, the business side of things are protecting our

profits, our time, and then our Peace of Mind.

And then the body part is a lot of what we've been talking about

when it comes to toxins, deficiencies, and then how

mental, emotional stress impacts our stress hormones.

Yeah, I love that. I liked when you said that

earlier about hiring people. They have to save you time, make

you money or save you money or bring peace to your life.

So as you're putting together the your team with people that

do on up to three of those things, how do you delegate

effectively to accomplish those things?

So one thing that's very important when it comes to

delegation is making sure that the a lot of times delegation

fails because of the handoff of that task.

So people might not fully understand like what they need

to do and they might not have asked the questions they might

not have felt comfortable asking.

So we have to create that space where it's like, ask me

questions if if you're missing what something is, and then give

them the authority within boundaries to be able to make,

make make those decisions. So when I delegate I-1 explain

why does this matter, not just what to do.

So I give why does this matter? So that there is the big

picture. And then I give them the

authority to make decisions within the clear boundaries

because you don't want now you're just asking me a bunch of

questions throughout is like, well, I could have just done

this myself, you know? And then also you want them to

be able to just step back and take it without you

micromanaging it is really a big part.

So trusting in that handoff is important.

Or it's like, just don't, don't do it at all.

If you, if we can't release it. Do you find that men are a

little easier with that, with trusting for the handoff?

I think probably yes and no. I mean, there's some things

where I think guys can, you know, like, all right, yeah, I'm

not dealing with that. But then there's other things

that maybe we take a little more, there might be a little

more ego, a little more this is mine, this is my name, this is

me out there. And, and we tend to hold on and

micromanage a little more. So probably, probably yes and

no. Yeah, it's a little bit.

So, yeah. So I know, I mean, a lot of

especially young guys kind of have a mentality of, you know,

we're going to put in the the hard work early, put your head

down, just grind it out and and as long as we get through, it'll

pay off in the end. But I know there's a cost to

that stress and especially a cost of bringing that stress

home. Can you speak to that a little

bit of what is that cost and how do we find that work life

sustainability rather than putting a little too much cost

upfront? Yeah, you know, there's, there's

a delicate balance because you know, men are men and we love

our men, right? And we love you for being

providers and protectors and all of these things, right?

And it's, and it's just mindful to be aware of the cost.

You don't want your kids to remember you as the guy that's

always tired and irritable. You know, it's, it's like one

thing to work all the time, but then it's the other thing to be

tired and grouchy and irritable and snapping on them or your

partner feeling like they're just all by themselves or they

don't want to bother you to ask for things.

So then they're just kind of handling everything themselves.

I think those are some of the bigger, bigger cost when it

comes to like family and relationships that are really

important. And then of course there's the

health part, you know, taking those times to pause, but it can

be just as easy as just like 5 minutes in the truck before you

go in the in the door, you know, taking that time to pause and

just reset. Whatever type of transition

routine can work for you. Just close your eyes for, you

know, 10 seconds and take some deep breaths.

Mentally leave work in the and the job, just leave it in the

driveway and then walk in and be present.

I think it's those types of things of really, I think they

say we don't remember what people said, but we remember how

they made us feel. So even though there might not

be as much time in the day that you were wanting, because time

is not infinite. Infinite, you know, we can keep

making money, right? But time isn't.

It's really those moments that we do have with the people that

we love, making sure that those are impactful and that we're, we

just, we, we're there already. We might, as you know, well be

present while we're there. And there's literally nothing we

can do with, you know, when we're not actually working like

we, we think we can cuz we're figuring stuff out in our minds.

But you know, be it, it's, it's worth it to be present.

And also just even from a psychology standpoint, like

neuropsychology, all of that, when we allow our bodies to

rest, like truly move into that sympathetic state where we're

not, our mind isn't racing, we're not trying to figure

things out. We've we allow ourselves to step

away from work, we actually become more creative.

That's when our best ideas come to us when we are more in that

relaxed state. So you can even like technically

the time that you have with your family, you know that, that even

think of it like this is my time to like let loose, relax and

also know there's a reward on that because psychologically,

you know, you'll probably figure things out because your your

mind and your body's more in that relaxed state.

Yeah, it's great that when I was running my roofing company, we

instituted a paid time off policy.

And that was a result of I went on a vacation in the first day

or two, I was kind of just checked out and relaxing.

And about day three, I started brainstorming and my, my brain

was just free and working in a way it hadn't been.

I came up with a lot of ideas to improve our business and I

thought, man, my, my guys need this too.

You know, it's beneficial for the business to take some time

off once in a while, reset, allow your brain to relax and

it's going to function better when you come back.

So, yeah, that's great. And I understand that you have

kind of a special offer available for our listeners.

Can you tell us a little bit about that?

If you go to doctor just Dr. aliciagifts.com I have a guide

there for you. It's completely free and it

gives you tools that you can use right away when it comes to your

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So just practical tool that you can implement.

We more than what we talked about today.

I know we talked about a lot, but there's just tips and tools

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Wonderful. Well, thank you for that.

I appreciate that. Yeah, you're welcome.

And if some of our listeners are wanting to get in touch with you

or engage some of your services, what would be the best resource

for them to reach out? You can go to my website which

is just Doctor Alicia newsome.com.

You can also message me on any kind of platform like Instagram,

Facebook, LinkedIn. Those are the best ones to get a

hold of me on. You can just literally send me a

message there and I reply back as well.

Awesome, awesome. Well, I know it.

We had said earlier we were going to talk a little bit more

about kind of the, the transition.

Oh, you had a phrase or a word for it, but transitioning from

work to home or, or you talked about your son going to bed, you

know, for the the guys that are having a hard time with that,

what are the key points of kind of that transition period to

effectively move from, you know, work mode to family mode?

The like a transition routines. Routine.

That was the word I was looking for.

Yeah. What what are the key points of

a transition routine? How important is that?

What should we be doing there? Really the main thing is to

recognize like what's happening in your mind and your body,

which I know a lot of times you might be like, I don't even

think about what's, you know, like, but it's really just

something that's just going to help you relax a little bit.

So oxytocin is the hormone that's basically like the

opposite of cortisol, your stress hormone.

And it comes out when you're feeling feelings of like deep

connection that could be with the spouse or a kid.

And we often think of it just with like moms who are nursing

their baby, but it's because of the connection.

So what you want to do is you want to do something that just

feels good and takes you like out of your head, right?

Of just like trying to figure out what's going on, work or

finances or all of those different types of things.

And it's different for everybody.

So it could be, you know, going for a 5 minute walk, it could be

taking some deep, it could be prayer, it could be turning on a

song that you enjoy. Like I think sometimes we just

take life too seriously. I, I'm super guilty of this.

I'm very serious. I joke and play, but it's, it's

like you, you got to do something to like shake it off,

right? I think there's like a song like

Shake it off, but you've you've got to like shake it off so that

you're not taking it into the next day.

You can brain dump if you're like more analytical, put it on

that piece of paper, write it down.

Like everything that you've got to do tomorrow, everything

that's stressing you out. And for those that are more

faith-based as well, sometimes you can just write it all down

and turn that piece of paper over and just write like, God's

got it right. Like just know, OK, I'm turning

this over. I'm about to go enjoy my family

or my friends, you know, the rest of my day and, you know,

hand it over. Well, you, you brought it back

around there. You alluded to it earlier, but

this is my favorite question I ask every guest.

It seems obvious you are a person of a faith tradition And

So what is that? And how has that affected your

business, your leadership, your medical practice?

Yes, I'm, I'm definitely a woman of faith.

I'm a Christian woman and it's, I feel like it, it's impacted my

entire life. You know, I feel like I wouldn't

be where I am today. I wouldn't be who I am today

without the Lord, you know, and my, my journey with the Lord has

been rocky. I've, I've been like, I've been

God's little prodigal child multiple times in my life.

You know, it, it hasn't been perfect at all, but I've, I've

got to tell you, he pulls through.

I mean, he pulls through. So when it comes to my business

and my work, I truly like, I pray before I meet with my team.

I pray before I meet with my clients, like, because a lot of

times I'm dealing with people's deeply personal issues, you

know, and it's just like, sometimes it's like, OK, God,

show me how to help this person, help me how to, how do I need to

serve this person today? Because yeah, I've got the stuff

in my brain, you know, I know medically, you know, like I know

the things to do. But a lot of times, as we've

talked about today, it goes so much deeper because it impacts

so many different areas of their lives.

So I, I truly have to give credit to God for everything.

I, I don't even think I would be here without, without them.

Like we, we talked about, like those deep, those times when we

feel so hopeless, you know, all things are working out for our

good. Man, good stuff, good stuff.

Well, is there anybody that you'd like to see on the show,

somebody that has an interesting background, an interesting

business, an industry or a business that you'd like to

learn more about? Well this is a good question.

Who would I like? Like someone I know already or

don't know. Either or.

I don't know. I have to get back to you all

that I don't have a OK. We are always in search of great

guests with good stories and interesting industries,

interesting stories. So if you think of something,

please let us know and we'll we'll reach out, try and get him

on the show. But.

OK. Yeah, yeah.

Thank you so much for joining us.

This, this has been awesome. I know we took up a lot of your

time, but I really appreciate the information that you've

given us. I think it'll be really helpful

for our listeners and I've learned a lot.

I found it very interesting to. Thank you very much.

Awesome, you are so welcome. Thank you for having me.

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